The Karoo alternatives List

[hullnet]

Hull Alternatives List

Name	Web	Install	Monthly	SLA	Speed	Download	Contract Length	Connects residential?
Quickline	www	£195.00	£27.50	Unknown	10Mbps up/10 Mbps down	Unlimited	24 months	Yes forum members signed
AirNet (Quickline reseller)	www	£149.99	£24.99	Unknown	6Mbps up/6 Mbps down	Unlimited (Fair Use Applies)	1, 12 or 18 months	Yes forum members signed
The One Point (Quickline reseller	www	£149.99	£25.50	Up to 14 days from order	4 Mbps up/down	Unlimited	12 months	Yes - See website
Connexin	www	£150.00	£25.00	1-4 Weeks	10Mbps - 60Mbps	200GB/Month FUP	12 Months	Yes
		£150.00	£18.00		10Mbps up/10 Mbps down	50GB/Month	12 months	Yes
SureBroadband	www	£95.00	£22.50	Unknown	Area Dependent	Unlimited (Fair Use Applies)	12 months	Yes forum members signed
		£95.00	£24.75		Area Dependent	Unlimited (Fair Use Applies)	PAYG  (Pay as you go)	Yes forum members signed
		£95.00	£15.00		Area Dependent	30GB/Month	6 months then PAYG	Yes forum members signed

Please post in this thread if you are a legitimate customer of any of the above so that we can tick the supplier off as being known to sell to residential customers. Also please let us know about any other alternative providers.

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Quickline     http://www.quickline.co.uk/

[grabo1530]

As far as onepoint goes ,did anyone ,private houshold that is manage to get connected and use the service ?
I for one dont believe they are a factual alternative to karoo ,unless some one can advise otherwise ,

[hullnet]

I think that assumes everyone who may or may not be a customer uses this forum, for the sake of argument, we know onepoint have done surveys at peoples houses and their website does offer two "Broadband" packages for home users to lets assume they can (Subject to survey)  

[dylan]

I think that assumes everyone who may or may not be a customer uses this forum, for the sake of argument, we know onepoint have done surveys at peoples houses and their website does offer two "Broadband" packages for home users to lets assume they can (Subject to survey)  

There have been a few posts from folk here complaining that they have had no contact back from Onepoint

I like the idea of the alternatives list and have stickied it, but think we should also note which providers are actually known to provide service. I hope you don't mind but I've edited the post to add a bit more info  

[hullnet]

Looks good cheers Dylan

[GarethG]

I have been following these new services comming to Hull and have come up with the following on their pricing to try make it a little easier to understand.
To make any sense these prices were done as multiples of 1.5 years, this is because with Air Net the longer the contract length the lesser the monthly fee. So I have the best prices possible.

The following is the equivalent monthly fee you would be paying, taking into account the installation fee and adding it to the montly fee's. The following is also based on the information I have which to the best of my knowledge is correct:

Air Net Hull - No guaranteed minimum connection speed. No traffic shaping or Fair Usage Policy.
    Option 1 - 10Mb Down/Up (Synced) = £21/month (Based on two 18 month contracts, prices reduce after 12 months then again after 18 months, and £100 installation fee)
    Option 2 - 2-20Mb Down 1Mb Up (Unsynced) = £22/month (Based on two 18 month contracts, prices reduce after 12 months then again after 18 months, and £100 installation fee)

NextGenUs - Guaranteed minimum 10Mb/s connection speed as they won't install with lower minimums. Traffic shaping applied when FUP is applied, this will lower your speeds (Unknown as to how much lower). Their FUP is dependant on your daily usage (24 Hour Period), presumably reset after 24 hours to original speeds and the counters reset.
    Option 1 - At least 10Mb Down/Up (Near Synced) [If NO FUP applied] = £22.06/month (Based on three 12 month contracts and £200 installation fee)
    Option 2 - At least 10Mb Down/Up (Near Synced) [If NO FUP applied] = £20.61/month (Based on three 12 month contracts and £250 installation fee)
    Option 3 - At least 10Mb Down/Up (Near Synced) [If NO FUP applied] = £19.83/month (Based on three 12 month contracts and £300 installation fee)

The One Point - No guaranteed minimum connection speed. Unknown traffic shaping or FUP.
    I chose not to include these as their website doesn't have enough information to complete the sums as above. But they are going for Hull broadband in a similar wireless way so I thought they deserved a mention.

All of the above monthly fee's will technically reduce each year, so the longer you stay with them the better. Please remember this is adding the installation fee to their advertised monthly costs, on your monthly bill you will see you are paying their advertised prices!!.


Below is a the total amount of money you will pay over 3 years for each option:

Air Net Hull
    Option 1 - 10Mb Down/Up (Synced) = £754
    Option 2 - 2-20Mb Down 1Mb Up (Unsynced) = £790

NextGenUs
    Option 1 - At least 10Mb Down/Up (Near Synced) [If NO FUP applied] = £794
    Option 2 - At least 10Mb Down/Up (Near Synced) [If NO FUP applied] = £742
    Option 3 - At least 10Mb Down/Up (Near Synced) [If NO FUP applied] = £714

Edit:
After recieving more information and corrections from the ever helpful Air Net I have made corrections to Air Net pricing, these may still be incorrect as it is my interpretation of the information. But they are more reliable than previous values.

Edit 2:
Prices for NextGenUs have been recalculated after new information on prices have been recieved.

[dylan]

Hi Gareth, I merged your topic with this one.

I've updated the table at the top of this sticky with pricing and I've removed Quickline as they would appear to be the same company as The One Point.

If anyone gets any more info then please post it.

[Frenchie]

Until about a year ago I used to use The One Point's internet service which was essentially a Quickline connection with a different sticker on it.
The service was great when it started to be honest. Unfortunately after time the node that my connection went through became faulty and was never replaced which left me with no connection. When it was live, it was fantastic. Great ping for Counter Strike: Source and the likes and considering I was living right next door to an interference-covered industrial estate the speed was acceptable and higher than my Karoo (which was about 2Mbps).
Shame the node never got replaced, that was my only gripe.

After looking around at all these sudden 'new' ISPs around Hull it appears that the vast majority of them are based on Quickline's ever-growing WiMax infrastructure (The One Point, East Riding Telecom etc), difference being that they have their own terms and customer service and support of varying quality. It's a shame Quickline don't supply directly to the consumer market as I reckon we'd all be on it in an instant if they did!
The only exception thus far to the ones that I've seen being NextGenUs and Fibrestream (there's another name somewhere of an ex-hairdresser's but the name leaves me at the moment) which are essentially from what I see a Fibre-tastic network being supplied by an external WiMax source anyway. That said, keeping my professional hat on, I've dealt with them once before in my life and the words: 'never again on God's green earth' come to mind. Truly awful! I say no more!   

My 2c!

[dylan]

Until about a year ago I used to use The One Point's internet service which was essentially a Quickline connection with a different sticker on it.
The service was great when it started to be honest. Unfortunately after time the node that my connection went through became faulty and was never replaced which left me with no connection. When it was live, it was fantastic. Great ping for Counter Strike: Source and the likes and considering I was living right next door to an interference-covered industrial estate the speed was acceptable and higher than my Karoo (which was about 2Mbps).
Shame the node never got replaced, that was my only gripe.

After looking around at all these sudden 'new' ISPs around Hull it appears that the vast majority of them are based on Quickline's ever-growing WiMax infrastructure (The One Point, East Riding Telecom etc), difference being that they have their own terms and customer service and support of varying quality. It's a shame Quickline don't supply directly to the consumer market as I reckon we'd all be on it in an instant if they did!
The only exception thus far to the ones that I've seen being NextGenUs and Fibrestream (there's another name somewhere of an ex-hairdresser's but the name leaves me at the moment) which are essentially from what I see a Fibre-tastic network being supplied by an external WiMax source anyway. That said, keeping my professional hat on, I've dealt with them once before in my life and the words: 'never again on God's green earth' come to mind. Truly awful! I say no more!   

My 2c!

We had heard the same story (i.e that most of these new WiMax providers were being supplied by Quickline). It's nice to hear it from somebody else too.

[Tumbleweed]

It appears that Air Net Service is a Quickline reseller too looking at the coverage maps

Air Net Map from Facebook post

http://tinyurl.com/2ejw94z

Quickline Map

http://www.quickline.co.uk/Wimax_Coverage_Map.asp

[miken]

Location of transmitters

Just enter the longitude and latitude into google maps, use strret view to try and spot the transmitters - I found a few - some have probably been put up since the photographs where taken by google

Sandtoft = 53.564324,-0.85865

Southpark = 53.56572,-0.689692  
      
Crosby = 53.618745,-0.698276
        
Flixborough = 53.594154,-0.644964
        
HRI = 53.744105,-0.358407
        
BBC = 53.745129,-0.338275
        
HullUni = 53.771230,-0.369244
        
HullKR = 53.754090,-0.26459
        
This one appears to be a polygon showing areas outside the circles which have coverage        
Elsham =    53.61787, -0.45851
            53.4797, -0.5517
            53.72444, -0.58339
            53.61787, -0.4585
        
Goole = 53.7034,-0.8717
        
Brough = 53.7444,-0.5733

[Frenchie]

We had heard the same story (i.e that most of these new WiMax providers were being supplied by Quickline). It's nice to hear it from somebody else too.

Yeah. I can't say that it's a bad thing though as it's obviously solid enough a network - Just a shame It didn't work out for me at the time. That said, I've just moved to pastures greener (East Riding! Woo!) so shall be calling up again to see what I can get out here in HU17.
Who knows, after the initial rush The One Point might be back on track to take up new enquiries? As they made the effort to put a transmitter up last time, I'll try them again first methinks.

[hullnet]

I've updated the prices for airnet to reflect the different contact lengths available

[stormy]

I've updated the prices for airnet to reflect the different contact lengths available

Also should it be "upto 10mpbs" for the speeds, I seem to recall you get 10mbps down, but not up?