orbital wimax

[dunny]

just spoke to my friend who used to work for a company in ashford and he has told me a company called orbital offer wimax in hull, going to look into now for people on here, i cant wait to get rid of karoo going to have alook at what they offer now

[dunny]

its true the do offer service in hull

http://www.orbital.net/wireless_services/wireless_coverage.php

zoom out and go upto hull they offer service here !

[Tumbleweed]

looks like part of quick lines network

http://www.orbital.net/company_information/blog/?cat=3

Orbital Net Ltd has commissioned a high capacity network to Hull providing customers of Quickline Communications with high speed access. Steve Jagger quoted “We are very pleased with the new backhaul service and can now concentrate with building out the network to our customers, Orbital have made the solution seamless with no downtime”

More information regarding the Quickline network can be found at www.quickline.co.uk

[dunny]

thanks i didnt see this lol

[Tumbleweed]

No problem it is another useful piece of the next generation access puzzle in hull 

[dylan]

I noticed this when the first Air Net customers started to post on the forums. If you look at the RIPE results for a Quickline IP address you'll see the address range is looked after by Orbital Net Ltd. Orbital provide wireless leased lines, which appear to be backhaul delivered from the nearest POP via WiMax.

I'm guessing that Orbital send Quickline's bandwidth across the river using WiMax. It may also explain why Air Net's latency is a bit higher than NextGenUs (who are using KCOM fibre). Makes me wonder why Air Net doesn't just go direct to Orbital for backhaul rather than to Quickline though?

[The Dominator]

I imagine that they are either looking at that for the long term or Quickline have signed to an exclusive deal (with the usual caveats of uptime SLA etc) but most probably it's down to cost. 

Back haul is expensive for a start up, and if Quickline are providing the backhaul on a pay for what you use deal, rather than pay for it all and use what you want (or even if Quickline takes a cut of each customer for back haul and building network) then Airnet & Quickline are can build slowly.

If I were Airnet or NextGenUs I would be looking at trying to mitigate the risk of a single provider by trying to add a few more feeds.

[Tumbleweed]

I would think airnet and nextgenus will invest in diverse routing as their networks grow

[dylan]

Lets hope so 

[dylan]

One thing that does occur to me however is now that KC know who is providing backhaul for Air Net & Quickline, the days of them getting backhaul from Orbital might be limited!

I'm sure that a KC director will be having a 'friendly' word with Orbital offering them favourable terms/backhander etc to stop supplying Hull.

Watch this space...

[richardmyers]

One thing that does occur to me however is now that KC know who is providing backhaul for Air Net & Quickline, the days of them getting backhaul from Orbital might be limited!

I'm sure that a KC director will be having a 'friendly' word with Orbital offering them favourable terms/backhander etc to stop supplying Hull.

Watch this space...

That is if kc believe any of the new providers to be a credible long term competitor...

[The Dominator]

Or..
the other way of looking at it is..
the people who move (or the vast majority) will be classed as 'heavy users'.
I imagine that they use a larger proportion of the limited KC bandwidth and will make a significant difference to the amount of bandwidth available.

So if I were KC, I would be quite happy to offload the heavy users to another company and let them cope with them sucking the bandwidth dry, it will improve the service for the average users left on the KC network.  They will see an improvement and think things are going well.

So in the long term an equilibrium will take place, a few heavy users on other networks against lots of light users on KCs network.

Also in regards NextGenUs KC are onto a winner, NextGenUs will have to pay KC for backhaul, so KC are in a win win.

[dylan]

Perhaps so. I'd imagine there's a tipping point however... 

[The Dominator]

that all depends on where you put the fulcrum dear boy...

[marko]

I can't see KC been happy about losing any customers whether they be heavy or light users. They may see the load lessen on their service and may even get away with buying less band width but every customer who leaves also take their money with them. If just 200 people leave who are on the same broad band and phone packages as me, KC will lose £100000 per year.