Wireless Alternative Business Provider of Internet Services in Hull

[Project Novo]

Forum members may not realise that there is an alternative wireless business provider  of Internet connectivity that does not use Kingston's IP services. There are currently approximately 20 Hull businesses that utilise the Wireless service that utilises the 5.7 -5.8 802.11a band c spectrum that offers quality of servivce.

Because the service is "symmetrical" and "uncontended" guarnteed bandwidth of 1/2 Mb/s is far superior to that of ADSL.

The services are provided by Core UK located on Goulton Street. You can see the radio's  and antennaes located on two poles as you drive down Clive Sullivan Way   

I project managed the network.

If forum users wish Core to expand the network for residential usage they should write to the Hull Daily Mail who will forward all corespondence to Core UK.             

[dylan]

Sounds great, but would you find it economically viable to extend city wide?

I remember a WISP business a little while back, started to install WiFi repeaters in people's houses around Hull. For some reason they seemed to disappear. Do you remember these guys, or does anyone else? If so, what happened there?

As for writing to the Hull Daily Mail, it seems like a pretty good idea. Perhaps we could organise something here as a petition inviting alternative ISPs into Hull?

Cheers

Dyls

[stormy]

Certainly its something positive, but I am not sure wireless is really the way to go on the residential front. Latancy would be a worry for me.

Plus living in Brough its probably a pipe dream for me personally although I am sure a letter or something to the HDM with list of signatures or users from this forum or the wider Karoo population would be something worth trying.

Mike

[Fastethernet]

I have heard of this service before, looked interesting for businesses since Karpoo charge an insane amount for symmetric internet links 

I'm surprised someone hasn't already tried setting up a Wimax tower with Ofcom’s light licensing and blast out cheap internet for anyone in Hull....

I'm still of the opinion that wireless technology cannot provide the type of high speed network that everyone else in Europe will be using soon. I want to see an alternative to Karpoo but I also want Hull to invest in its own future as a digital city.

[miken]

My school uses the core service havn't seen any problems with it as long as residential users wouldn't have to have the internet filters enabled, it blocks so many legit websites.

Anyone know and good sites I can use to do some reverse ping tests? I can't access command promt in school. Where you want pinging? jolt.co.uk? I'll try do them tomorrow.

[stormy]

Do a tracert rather than ping. If you can. ta

Tracing route to www.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2     7 ms     8 ms     7 ms  adsl-87-102-32-254.karoo.KCOM.COM [87.102.32.254
]
  3     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  vlan-301.nr5.civ.ipc.kcom.com [10.102.241.1]
  4     8 ms     8 ms     7 ms  po4.nr5.civ.ipc.kcom.com [10.102.240.213]
  5    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  vlan-959.er10.the.ipc.kcom.com [10.102.59.7]
  6    13 ms    13 ms    14 ms  te1-3.cr05.tn5.bb.pipex.net [195.66.224.29]
  7    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  g2-48-5.ar01.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.140.14]
  8    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  ge-0-0-0-3801.jolt-gw.cust.pipex.net [212.241.24
1.14]
  9    14 ms    14 ms    13 ms  secure.jolt.co.uk [82.133.85.65]

Trace complete.

I think wireless will be hard pressed to beat that personally.

[miken]

I'll see if I can get a tracertroute program to work, depends as we cant directly run exe's and cmd has been disabled. Ways past some protections though.

[Fastethernet]

Hi Miken,

You could try http://www.demon.net/toolkit/internettools/ for a web based traceroute. I seem to remember from my schools days you could use MS Word SaveAs option to browse to CMD.exe in c:\windows\system32.  By any chance are you @ Hymers school?

[miken]

Delete this post

[stormy]

LOL Demon's network is nice, what does that prove about Core in Hull?

That tracert is pointless I am afraid Mike, you need to do it from your location for it to be worthwhile. What you posted doesn't even get close to the Hull network.

You could reverse tracert to the school, but it wont be as good as doing the comparison from your machine at the school to jolt.

Mike

[miken]

Yeh realise that now but didnt even have time to read it.

I tried running a tracert program but it didnt work because I dont think it was using the schools proxy address, anyone know a different program preferably not installer that will just use the internet connections settings for the tracert? I can try it this afternoon if im able to.

[dylan]

I suppose your IT administrator may have configured the school network devices in such a way that they don't respond to ICMP packets. If that's the case you won't get a response from your tracert.

[The Dominator]

Why not talk to the schools it dept?
Exaplin what you want and why..
they may be ready to provide the info because they too have to use Krapoo...

you never know   

[miken]

@The Dominator, Doubt it it takes them weeks just to change our file storage quota.
I could try tho if any are about, what shall I say to explain what I want and why?


The IP addess for the school goes to manchester, I expect its a mass of proxys and stuff before getting to the school.

[The Dominator]

Give them the low down about this site, the reasons behind your request and what you want back from them.
Maybe they could email you the figures? and provide them with a URL to this thread?  Most techies understand  that Krapoo are bad news for Hull..  apart from the ones who work for Krapoo and even they know its bad deep down..

If it helps you could ask them to remove the sensitive route info (dns names etc of the routers) but leave in the hop times?