Net Neutrality - Kingston Communication starts early

[The Dominator]

This article says it all:
pcworld.com

It seems KC has started early (I think it allows them to argue FOR bandwidth shaping..)

[mrX]

I think other ISP's are doing it, I read on think broadband that Tiscali sound worse than KC, apparently during their peak hours torrents and P2P become completely unusable to the point people were complaining that Tiscali had just put a complete block on it.

[The Dominator]

hmmmm -  it seems that the majority of ISPs have decided that they would rather they didn't become net nannys...
bbc.co.uk - news report

So where does that leave Karoo? 

To snoop on our data is bad enough but to use it as an excuse to cut the bandwidth on an already crappy overpriced service is disgusting.  In fact its so bad i am quiting Karoo and going to another ISP......

doh...!!!  (as i find myself tied over the barrel)...

(whats that i hear?  Evil laughing from the KC board? - Muwahahahahahah...)

[dylan]

Hmmm it is rather irritating! I think it might be an idea to do write some articles about how to get around this kind of thing. I feel a wiki coming on lol 

[The Dominator]

lol....
I spit on your free and/or shareware!!!  and take your wyki with you  [in joke people!]

Seriously though I think you could be right about this..
also what are the consequences and problems associated with purchasing a server in somewhere land to use as a proxy?  We could re-sell the services (at costs) to the members of this board?

What do people think?

It could be a socks proxy (i think thats the one we want? - Fasterethernet?  Dylan? put me right?) that can not be checked via the man-in-the-middle..

We would need to know the initial take-up, the expected use of the proxy, the bandwidth through-put (per month), how to meter the bandwidth use etc...

We could also add an added benefit of filtered internet access for Parents (thinking of DansGuardian here).

responses?

[dylan]

It sounds a nice idea, but in principle we'd need to look into the legality of it. If you offer someone access through a proxy, then I wonder if you're responsible for what they look at? If someone were to - for instance - look at a bomb making manual, would you end up with the police knocking on the door?

I think you'd probably have to verify a persons identity to offer them the service.

[The Dominator]

yes, and ask them to sign a legal document off setting the legal responsibility to them?

Its all very good in principle but can it be implemented in practice?  There are companies out there providing this service so its a question of how do they do it?
If it did come off it would be for a select few me thinks.

I am just wondering about the problems etc that would be involved.

The legality is one issue (minor me thinks      )..  there is also Krapoo to ponder, how would they react?  Would there be enough interest?
Or would it be easier to find good quality proxies that we could recommend?
What about 'how-to' videos for setting up onion-tor etc..

hmm - complicated..

[dylan]

Technically I don't see how it'd be any problem at all. I'm just more concerned with the legality of it all 

[miken]

Setup a dedi with some linux based torrent and usenet clients then do some kind on encrypted connection that cant be shaped and download the files, save loads of people downloading multiple times. Can vpn access network drives over different servers? used to use a vpn service and got 500KBs at peak.

[dylan]

Fastethernet's your man to ask about VPNs, but I believe you can arrange access to any service/port over a VPN as long as you configure it correctly.

[Fastethernet]

Hmmmm, sounds like an excellent idea although I agree with Dylan the legal ramifications could be significant if serious illegal activities were perpetrated. At the very least some sort of authentication would be necessary to track who is doing what. The other issue is Krapoo could simple block access to the proxy or limit bandwidth if they wanted. Socks proxys can support simple encryption to hide what you are up to from Krapoo but they could block the IP if it gets too many hits.

An ideal solution would be some sort of seedbox with a dynamic IP address running TorrentFlux that you could VPN into and FTP the files down to your home PC.

[The Dominator]

hmmm - does this ring a bell with anyone?
theregister.co.uk

and if the USA are going down this route - can we do the same?
theregister.co.uk