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« on: March 12, 2008, 09:59:43 pm »

Has anyone read the latest spiel in the KC charm offensive?

Check out tonight's HDM if you haven't.
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2008, 04:09:17 pm »

What does it say? Why are they spending all this money on crap when the money should quite clearly be spent on making the service better.

FFS!
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2008, 11:41:50 pm »

What does it say? Why are they spending all this money on crap when the money should quite clearly be spent on making the service better.

FFS!
I'll be nice and type it out for you.  Roll Eyes It's been a long bloomin' time since I did a typing test though so any mistakes are my own...


KC TALKS.....

Staff at KC talk about the most common questions they get from customers about karoo. Here's what tehy said...

Q. What's the most common question customers ask about the KC service?

Martin Duff - Tech Support Manager

A. Always speed! Speed is a massive issue for customers, mainly due to the confusion surrounding 'up to 8Mbps broadband'. ISPs all over the UK have learnt a huge lesson about this and we're one of them. We don't want to hide away from the fact that many customers believe they are paying for a service they're not getting. But, the truth is 'up to' really does mean 'up to'. Only a very small proportion of broadband users in the UK will ever get the maximum 8Mbps. And the further they live from the exchange, the less likely they are to achieve 8Mbps. We're working to improve the information we provide about the factors that affect broadband speed, and we've made a lot of progress over the last six months. In particular, customers can now wee a full explanation about the 'up to 8Mbps' service and all the things that affect the speed you recieve via the broaband pages on www.karoo.co.uk. We've also included out 'Top Tops' for improving line speed in out Karoo User Guide.

Q. Why does KC stop other broaband providers coming into Hull?

Anita Pace - Marketing Director

A. It is a myth that KC is preventing competition coming to area - this isn't true at all. There is nothing to stop any other ISP coming into the Hull area to offer broadband services and we charge no more than BT for any ISP to come into the area and use our network to provide services here. We would in fact welcome competition in the area, because we would much rather our customers chose to use our services than be forced to. We are local to our customers, we care about our customers, we listen to what our customers say and we always try to give them the best possible service.

Q. Is there such a thing as free broadband?

Jake Ingleby - Market and Competitor Analyst at Kingston Communications

A. On the internet and on adverts you see on TV, it always looks like things are either free of much cheaper, but these so called 'deals' are usually covered by lots of terms and conditions, or long contracts, premium rates for technical support, or even hidden charges - you never get anything for free! Usually, they involve customers have to sign up for a paid-for product before getting anything for free. Our products are all pretty simple. We don't use the terms FREE with any of our packages and we always make our terms and conditions readily available to customers. We also post a price manual on our website which publishes all of our prices, so customers know exactly what they are paying for. The fact is it is not commercially sustainable for us to provide you with so called 'free' internet (but then as you know, there is no such thing as 'free') but we are planning new, lower-cost options from April.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2008, 12:26:51 am »

If I had the chance to respond to that, it'd go a little like this...

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Q. What's the most common question customers ask about the KC service?

Is it something along the lines of, why does my internet cut out several times a day?

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Martin Duff - Tech Support Manager

A. Always speed! Speed is a massive issue for customers,

I know Martin. Cheeky buggers aren't they? Speed, speed! it's all they want. You give 'em dial-up they want ISDN, give 'em ISDN and they want ADSL. Never happy those pesky customers. Bloody good job you don't have any competitors then  Cheesy

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mainly due to the confusion surrounding 'up to 8Mbps broadband'. ISPs all over the UK have learnt a huge lesson about this and we're one of them.

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We don't want to hide away from the fact that many customers believe they are paying for a service they're not getting.

Nice of you to be honest, but wouldn't you be better off just delivering the service they want rather than spending all day writing adverts for the Hull Daily Mail?

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But, the truth is 'up to' really does mean 'up to'. Only a very small proportion of broadband users in the UK will ever get the maximum 8Mbps. And the further they live from the exchange, the less likely they are to achieve 8Mbps.

Well I'm not arguing there Martin, physics is physics, but do be a love and stop throttling the bandwith too. It don't half slow down my internet on an evening guv...

I'm assuming you must be throttling rather than moving the exchange further away? Wait a minute, you're not moving buildings in the night are you?  Shocked

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We're working to improve the information we provide about the factors that affect broadband speed, and we've made a lot of progress over the last six months.

It shouldn't take you six months to figure out what effects broadband speed mate. You are an internet engineer. If you're taking on staff, I'm open to offers, I've got a pretty good idea what the problem is.

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In particular, customers can now wee a full explanation about the 'up to 8Mbps' service and all the things that affect the speed you recieve via the broaband pages on www.karoo.co.uk.

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We've also included out 'Top Tips' for improving line speed in our Karoo User Guide.

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Q. Why does KC stop other broadband providers coming into Hull?

Erm because we make more money being the only one here you daft bugger... Oh, wait a minute, is this recording?...

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Anita Pace - Marketing Director

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A. It is a myth that KC is preventing competition coming to area

No, King Arthur and Merlin are myths, the concept that KC prevents competition is a widely held belief. That said, a definition of myth is "built on facts or on a substratum of fact". I suppose I could concede it to you.

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- this isn't true at all. There is nothing to stop any other ISP coming into the Hull area to offer broadband services and we charge no more than BT for any ISP to come into the area and use our network to provide services here.

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We would in fact welcome competition in the area, because we would much rather our customers chose to use our services than be forced to.

I'm glad you brought that one up Anita love. Just getting me pen.... "KC customers are forced to use the service". Ta.

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We are local to our customers,

So were Tubbs and Edward but it didn't do their customers much good!

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we care about our customers, we listen to what our customers say and we always try to give them the best possible service.

Q. Is there such a thing as free broadband?

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Jake Ingleby - Market and Competitor Analyst at Kingston Communications

Pardon? You analyse Kingston Communications competitors? What, in Hull? Ahem.... If you leave your job Jake mate, and if Anita Pace and I can overlook this whole karooforums.net thing, do you reckon I could get in with a chance at your job?

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A. On the internet and on adverts you see on TV, it always looks like things are either free or much cheaper,

Whoa, whoa whoa... You're going too fast for me! Internet, TV?

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but these so called 'deals' are usually covered by lots of terms and conditions, or long contracts, premium rates for technical support, or even hidden charges - you never get anything for free!

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Usually, they involve customers have to sign up for a paid-for product before getting anything for free.

What, like Sky telly or a mobile phone? I see where you're coming from bud, but a lot of people in Hull already have that stuff and so are entitled to some 'free' (imaging me doing the quotes with my fingers if you like) stuff.

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Our products are all pretty simple.

Yeah we have noticed mate. That's kinda one of the reasons we're 'aving a bit of a whinge to be fair.

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We don't use the terms FREE with any of our packages

Or the words 'WORKS MOST OF THE TIME' or 'FAST', but then there is that trade descriptions act whassit....

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and we always make our terms and conditions readily available to customers. We also post a price manual on our website which publishes all of our prices, so customers know exactly what they are paying for.

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The fact is it is not commercially sustainable for us to provide you with so called 'free' internet (but then as you know, there is no such thing as 'free') but we are planning new, lower-cost options from April.

Well that's really depressed me that has! I was really hoping that KC would start providing totally free services! I'm gutted. Go and have another look mate. Surely there must be a way for you to make this commercially sustainable.... What a daft comment....

If you are reading this KC. Sorry, I'm only having a bit of fun with you and I still love you really. But please, spend more money on improving your backhaul to the 'net so you can stop shaping as badly, and stop doing these silly advertisements.

Love Dyls

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2008, 08:46:15 am »

Lol not bad.

I laughed at the commend about speed, they just try and confuse the average user with the rubbish that distance from exchange etc affects the speed. When we are all in comparison to BT very close the the exchanges. And it doesnt explain why I sync at 7616 however come evening strugle to get more than 2mbps.
It really need to stop but the whole country does it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2008, 09:10:08 am »

lol nice one dyls, i also laughed at the speed comment, so we demand more, doesn't everyone lol.

They are just wasting there money, i for one don't even buy a hull daily mail.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2008, 09:53:15 am »

LMAO  Cheesy Cheesy

Moving the exchange during the night LOL!

I liked the league of gentlemen reference  Cool

But with all seriousness KCOM stop wasting our money on PR and start spending it on the creaking infrastructure within Hull, there are people (not many) who can sync their ADSL lines @ nearly 8Meg but you throttle them down to dial up speeds when most people use the internet. Think about the end users experience here! You can't tell them its physics fault that you cap their internet pipe with a rate limiter.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2008, 01:00:34 pm »

Exactly, I am one of those 8Mbps throttled fokes, my connection is always flawless at 8Mbps and I get disconnected once in a blue moon.

Odd that my connection *never* gets anywhere near 8Mbps, I am lucky to get 1Mbps speeds half the time.

KC just keep on spouting bull.

PS: a mate of mine recons that he spoke to BT today and that they have some plans in the pipeline to come to Hull and area? Its not April the 1st yet, but I will believe it when I see it.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2008, 02:14:18 pm »


... Our products are all pretty simple. We don't use the terms FREE with any of our packages and we always make our terms and conditions readily available to customers. We also post a price manual on our website which publishes all of our prices, so customers know exactly what they are paying for...

Well NO actually! The website currently says that you can save 'over £100' by setting up a broadband Max 4 connection. Yet they sell the router for £70 and don't charge for any of their connections - where is the other £30 + saving?

The more I look into this company, the more they annoy me.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 11:57:31 pm »

I heard the rumour about BT aswell.  Fingers crossed on that one.  As for Krapoo, maybe just maybe they are realising that competition might be on the way and they figured that the cash cow may be under serious threat.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 02:26:16 am »

Do you think if I asked nicely they would ammend my contract to allow me to pay "UP TO" £16.99 per month?
I must agree with you guys about being sick of getting ripped off by them.
If you bought a car that was advertised as being able to do "UP TO" 160mph and you never was able to achieve more than 20mph there isn't a court in this land that wouldn't agree that you have ripped- off,skanked,stiffed,shafted,conned,lied to or defrauded.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 12:01:22 pm »

at the moment i pay the internet by cash so gotta pay 3 months in ad anvance for a crap services and 45quid for a phone that i dont use bring in cable
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2008, 12:53:27 pm »

I missed this advertisement. Not sure why they feel the need to ram so much PR in our faces, I mean it's not like we have a choice or they have a competitor in the market around here. They don't need to try to influence us, we're prisoners them.
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 04:53:13 pm »

I missed this advertisement. Not sure why they feel the need to ram so much PR in our faces, I mean it's not like we have a choice or they have a competitor in the market around here. They don't need to try to influence us, we're prisoners them.

Eli, I think they are just concerned about all the negative press they are getting lately. To be honest most of it being well deserved!

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 05:16:13 pm »

I missed this advertisement. Not sure why they feel the need to ram so much PR in our faces, I mean it's not like we have a choice or they have a competitor in the market around here. They don't need to try to influence us, we're prisoners them.

Problem for KC is that they're very much trying to improve their image nationwide as they continue to use the revenue milked from Hull to fund more 'related business' purchases elsewhere - as has been said both here and elsewhere their (our lol) money would be much wiser spent on improving the network...PR is much easier.
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