New Hull website - telecomsinhull.co.uk

[Project Novo]

Dear forum user

I would be grateful if you could view telecomsinhull.co.uk and spread the word to all domestic and businesses using KC's fixed line, calls and broadband services in the Hull and east Riding 01482 area.

The site  is designed to properly inform residents about the real reasons for the current lack of fixed line, calls and broadband providers in the Hull market and talks specifically about the ilegal tying of local calls and line rental services by KC whereby residents and specific businesses are unable to pay for local calls on a "metered" "pay as you go" basis as you are able to do so with all other UK providers of line rental services outside the 01482 area.

The site is also designed to inform residents and businesses covered by the 01482 area of alternative service providers offering telephony and Internet Access services in the Hull area.

Any comments you have are welcomed.

PN         

[joetandey]

The real reasons behind KC's pricing doesn't really matter to the majority of residents in the Hull area...they just want shot of it all.

The main reason that you are not gaining sufficient interest in you website is the whole consultant x, y and z thing. Just put your names on there, I know who you all are anyway and I am sure anyone with a brain can figure it out too.

May I ask why Surebroadband is not mentioned on the site? Nor been approached by x, y or z? Also the only mention of Quickline is the claim to having built the original network they run over. The only provider actually mentioned fully is Nextgenus alongside Nexus. I know why that is, I wonder if anybody else can guess?!!!

The website just won't make a change as won't KC until they realise they are losing sufficient numbers and you and others stop working with them here and elsewhere in the country.

That is why we at Surebroadband are entirely independent of KC and will always remain so...

[Darvin Felth]

 

[dylan]

I believe that this is the second time I've seen the site advertised here. I can't search now, not near a PC, but didn't we suggest last time that building the entire site in flash using one of those DIY website builders might not convey the professional image that you want it to?

Also gotta agree with Joe. It's super obvious to anyone who knows even a tiny amount that consultant x,y,z etc are the NextGenUs guys. Why do the shadowy mystery stuff but include highly specific facts about what you have done in the past in a way that ensures that its obvious to anyone with a brain and access to Google who you are? I'm sure you guys are intelligent enough to see that, so doing it just makes the effort gimicky.

So that's my feedback. Good idea, poorly delivered. If you're serious about the core message, try again, get someone who knows what they're doing to help with the site and try harder to be impartial. If you can do that, you might have something :-)

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[TJ]

" and you and others stop working with them here and elsewhere in the country. "

Nice to see that some peoples interest is purely in slagging of KC and not in providing a better service for the people of Hull.


Anyhow back to the topic.

Yes the website does seem just to be a blatant advertisement for Nextgenus and not what it claims to be.
I don't really think it is possible for a company who are a communications provider and in competion with all the other communications providers to be unbiased.

It is this kind of unprofessionalism that would make me worry about who these people are and about having any kind of financial involvement with them.

[joetandey]

@TJ

I hope the bit you pasted wasn't taken the wrong way.

I have offered numerous times to help KC come up with a better solution to the problems they face, each time they turn me down. They want to work with us elsewhere in the country but not in Hull. This is why I say we shouldn't work with them, because they are simply keeping people sweet to save problems in Hull.

I think everyone needs to get their heads together and find a workable solution to the issues Hull is facing in telecoms, I want this city and it's economy to grow to benefit everyone yet each time we all try to sort this out various individuals drag it back down...

Let's hope it doesn't take too much longer for us all to join forces and change the face of the city.

[jamadams]

I completely agree with the posts above.

Just say who you are. Even if we do know, all the secrecy makes it look like you have a hidden agenda, or something else to hide.

[TJ]

@TJ

I hope the bit you pasted wasn't taken the wrong way

Apologies if it was, reading it again i can see that it could be ambiguous.

I think everyone needs to get their heads together and find a workable solution to the issues Hull is facing in telecoms, I want this city and it's economy to grow to benefit everyone yet each time we all try to sort this out various individuals drag it back down...

Let's hope it doesn't take too much longer for us all to join forces and change the face of the city.

Totally agree, its nice to see someone willing to cooperate rather than the usual slagging other companies which seems all to common on this forum.

[Project Novo]

Hi Folks

Many thanks for your feedback.

I have made some changes to the site and removed specific references and certain bias. I will be changing the layout and format of the site as it progresses. the site is intended as an impartial view and allows others to advertise for a small fee

Its about time that all new providers get to together and work collaboratively to take on KC and share resources and customers. I have plenty of hard evidence of KC's tactics to keep business and keep out the competition and will use this at the right point in time - including whats published on the website. However, there appears to be a real malaise in people in Hull that just accept the ineviatable in the fact that "well it must be right if there allowed to do it by Ofcom - WRONG" ITS NOT !! - Ofcom let KC do what they like in Hull in terms of pricing and tariffing and its time for residents and businesses allike to petition Ofcom, KC and if needs be, the Prime Minster.

Regulated pricing from KC overseen by Ofcon - Not on your nelly. Any threat of competion and losing a business customer and a 1 day tarrif gets published and removed !!!!

Also, how is it that all domestic customers pay approximately £3.00 per month extra for local calls when big businesses can continue to pay for local calls at 5.5p untimed !!!!!   - ILLEGAL as its discrimantory. As for the ridiculous wholesale pricing for those trying to compete for offering the equivalent of IP Stream from BT Wholesale in Hull over KC's copper wires.

That what is keeping out the competition.

PN



 

         

 

[TJ]

Also, how is it that all domestic customers pay approximately £3.00 per month extra for local calls when big businesses can continue to pay for local calls at 5.5p untimed !!!!!   - ILLEGAL as its discrimantory.  

No idea where these figures come from
I thought KC's basic line rental was £12.49 and BT's was £13.90

Illegal !.....possibly I am not a legal expert....however BT and all the other major providers do the same or similar and have done for many years.

As for the ridiculous wholesale pricing for those trying to compete for offering the equivalent of IP Stream from BT Wholesale in Hull over KC's copper wires    

How does this pricing compare with BT's and what was Ofcom's comments about this ?

[joetandey]

I have just had another look at the website and nothing has really changed...it is still anti-MS3 and pro Nextgenus.

Also you have removed Simon and Guy as the other two consultants but obviously they are still involved so it has made things even more dubious.

I think first and foremost we all to make small inroads in Hull by building real sustainable networks that are non-reliant on KC and that can eventually be used by any operator. I know we at surebroadband are fitting the above criteria as our network relies heavily on one key feature...all of our customers are connected to a true access point managed and maintained by us.

This ensures no weak links in the chain and no additional polluting of frequencies and channels above what is necessary. The move for us from wireless to fibre in the ground will be easy for us as time moves on and so a real alternative network will become a reality.

As anyone who has any experience in building networks and what it takes to co-ordinate such a project would understand there will be delays and would not make up a press report stating a failure to hit a target.

Anyway let's see what the future brings!!

[Project Novo]

Hi TJ

Its not about just about price but access to the market by those that wish to compete with KC - FAIRLY.   

BT ALLOW you to have calls on a pay as you go "metered" basis. Also, they are NOT allowed to include call charges within the line rental charges that force you to take specific call types from them as KC force customers to do - this is HIGHLY ILLEGAL as it breaches UK Competition law. My client made a deal with KC as they lost significant revenue due to this "tying"  by forcing its business customers to take calls from KC. If my client hadnt had done a deal they would have gone bust by now and KC would have pushed other "tied" calls services. Ofcom would have opened an investigation into "tying" and surprise, surprise myself and my client had a meeting with KC 48 hours of meeting with Ofcom to "sort out" the problem. And Ofcom DIDNT open an investigation !!!!     

The difference is that the rest of the UK is regulated whereas Hull isnt as Ofcom allows KC to do what it wants. 

IP stream is not regulated by OFCOM. However, KC's pricing is the same at BT' Wholesale IP Stream pricing even though you only have access to 12 exchanges in the Hulla area whereas you have acess to over 1400 in the rest of the UK for the same charges !!!!!!

Believe me. KC's prices WILL go up !!!!!

PN

[TJ]

- this is HIGHLY ILLEGAL as it breaches UK Competition law.

Have you raised this with the DTI or sought advise from the OTA.

[Project Novo]

Hi TJ

DTI say its a matter for OFCOM as they are the regulatory body oversseing telecoms. Ofcom refuse to deal with the issue stating that it is up to a Communications Provider to raise a complaint which is bunckum as Ofcom have a legal obligation under their terms of reference to investigate once an issue relating to competition abuse has been brought to their attention especially where the provider has Significant Market Power under UK Competition legislation.

If you keep having a look at the website I will shortly petitioning Ofcom on this issue.       

If my claims were not true I think KC would have asked me to remove the content relating to allegations of competition abuse in the "tying" of calls and lines by now !

You may wish to arrive at your own conclusions !!!
 
PN