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desandcaz
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« on: August 23, 2008, 06:41:03 am »

 
IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE                                                       I/A no: 40 of 2008
CHANCERY DIVISION

BEFORE CHIEF MASTER WINEGARTEN ON 30 JUNE 2008 BETWEEN:


DIGIPROTECT GESELLSCHAFT ZUM SCHUTZE DIGITALE MEDIEN GMBH

Applicant
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(1)BE UN LIMITED (2) BRITISH TELECOMMUNICATIONS PLC (3) EASYNET LIMITED (4) ENTANET INTERNATIONAL LIMITED (5) KCOM GROUP PLC (6) ORANGE HOME UK PLC (7) PLUSNET PLC (Cool THUS PLC (9) TISCALI UK LIMITED

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ORDER

UPON the Application of the Applicant by Notice dated 16 June 2008; AND UPON hearing solicitors for the Applicant;
AND UPON reading the documents marked in the Court file as having been read and it appearing that there is a prima facie case that each of the subscribers associated with the IP addresses listed in Schedule 1 to this Order have copied the Applicant's work(s) on to his or her personal or office Computer (the "Work(s)") without the Applicant's permission for the purpose of making it available via file sharing Websites for third parties to download, which may give rise to a claim for Copyright infringement;
AND UPON the Applicant undertaking not to disclose to the general public, by making or issuing a Statement to the media, the names or addresses of any person or persons whose identity is made known to the Applicant as a resuit of the grant of the relief ordered below until after the Applicant has began the process of enforcing its Copyright and related rights against such person or persons as contemplated by paragraph one of this Order;
IT IS ORDERED THAT:

The Respondents shall by the dates set out in paragraph 2 disclose to the Applicant's solicitors (if or to the extent known or otherwise available to the Respondents after carrying out a reasonable search) the name and postal address ("personal data") of the registered subscriber or subscribers to each of the Respondents' internet account or accounts that were assigned to the internet protocol address listed in Schedule 1 hereto, on the dates and times shown therein and which relate to the Respondents in


question. Such disclosure shall be in an editable electronic text format by way of Microsoft Excel file in the form submitted by the Applicant to the Respondents.
The date for disclosure of personal data, as regards each Respondent, shall be as follows:
(a)        for all Respondents other than Respondent 2, 3 and 7: by 4pm on
Tuesday, 29 July 2008;
(b)        for Respondents 2, 3 and 7 : by 4pm on Tuesday, 30 September 2008;
As regards all Respondents other than Respondents 2 and 7:

The reasonable costs of complying with this Order shall be paid by the Applicant to the Respondents in any event;
As regards Respondents 2 and 7:

The Applicant shall pay each of those Respondents' costs (including its solicitors' reasonable costs) of considering the Application, preparing for and attending the hearing (if necessary) and the reasonable costs of complying with this Order shall be paid by the Applicant to each of those Respondents in any event;
As regards all Respondents:

The Respondents shall supply at the same time as complying with paragraphs 1-2 of this Order details of their administrative and legal costs incurred in complying with this Order;
The Applicant be permitted to use documents and information disclosed pursuant to this Order for the purposes of enforcing its Copyright and related rights against all and any persons identified pursuant to this Order;
7.         Each Respondent shall within seven days of complying with this Order file and
serve on the Applicant's solicitors a signed witness Statement verified by a
Statement of truth confirming that it has fully complied with the applicable
provisions of this Order;
8.         The Applicant and the Respondents have permission to apply.
Dated this 30 June 2008
 


 
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 07:02:35 am »

Too late for some,
"for all Respondents other than Respondent 2, 3 and 7: by 4pm on
Tuesday, 29 July 2008;"   that's Karoo included then.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 11:14:05 am »

So I guess this will be the 25,000 users Davenport Lyons have been talking about all week

The makers behind popular games such as The Lord Of The Rings and the Colin McRae rally series are set to serve 25,000 people with the legal notices.

The families targeted must then pay £300 to settle out of court or face the possibility of a trial.

They are accused of sharing games by top makers Atari, Codemasters, Topware Interactive, Reality Pump and Techland, illegally.

Roger Billens from the law firm leading the action, Davenport Lyons, said his clients were "incensed" by the large numbers of file-sharers.

"In the first 14 days since Topware Interactive released Dream Pinball 3D it sold 800 legitimate copies but was illegally downloaded 12,000 times. Hopefully people will think twice if they risk being taken to court," he said.

Partner David Gore blamed faster internet download speeds for the problem and said it results in "millions of pounds of losses to copyright owners".

The scale of the crackdown dwarfs the efforts made by the UK music business against illegal downloaders as they have reportedly launched action against just 150 people in the last decade.


So i wonder how many kcom users will be parting with 300 notes over the next few weeks
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2008, 12:30:09 pm »

Wonder if someone could clarify for me whether they are classing "Sharing" as the Download & Upload (via torrents) or simply as download alone? A month or so back the whole warning letter fiasco came out and BBC had it as uploading material but ITV had it as downloading the material >_<

Obviously downloading the files is just as bad, but technically speaking it isn't 'sharing' if you aren't uploading it for others to use.  Huh?

EDIT - As I read the court order I see it as the uploading of the files that they are classing as the infringement on copyright  Undecided
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008, 12:43:15 pm »

Yeah it is the uploading. Basically sharing illegal content.

So bittorrent users basically lol.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2008, 01:29:02 pm »

Cheers for the clarification, that's what I'd always thought. But BBC/ITV a month or two ago gave me a bit of a scare, gits  Roll Eyes I've never really got into using torrents, as when I lived with my mum the line dropped the connection every 20-30 seconds; seeing as I'd never done it in the 5 years at my mums I didn't see the point in starting now I have my flat.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2008, 09:19:58 pm »

So basically, all I need to do is half arsedlly code a rubbish game lets call it for arguments sake "Super Death Kill 7". Get some numpty to pull my rubbish copy protection out of it and start seeding a torrent for it.

Within a few months, many hundreds of people could have downloaded the game, tried it and discovered that it is crap and then I can sue them for £300 a piece and make more money than I would have selling it legitimately!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2008, 11:25:55 pm »

Sounds about right, Dream Pinball 3D sucked btw.
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2008, 02:37:53 pm »

Anyone stupid enough to use public p2p software to download copyright material such as films and games etc deserve to get caught and pay fines

If you must download copyright material at least dont be stupid enough to do it on a torrent and use a anonymous system like usenet but im guessing because you have to pay for usenet access and these people wont pay to buy the material in the first place that is asking too much and so get caught lol

no sympathy for stupidity
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2008, 09:15:53 pm »

Or private torrent sites. People go on public ones where any tom dick or harry can see what you're getting and start downloading the newest film out.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 04:04:28 am »

closed private invite only FTW

they usually have a long T&C thing agreeing that by signing up you can't be working/associated/know the police, legal services, mcrsft etc and by the end of it pretty much rules everyone out.

and as for the bthomehub, its (unless been patched in the last 6months by auto-firmware) majorily flawed. After reading a news article a while back, and a quick run of the right application for scientific studies, caused every homehub in my neighbourhood to spit out its password, encrypted or not, including my own password which was. Not everyone knows about MAC addresses and I can't see how the courts can blame people for not doing so.

One of the reasons why i dropped BT, aside from their call centre is in india, when the problem was at the exchange i was stood not 5 yards away from.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 11:37:48 am »

wat about using p2p clients such as kazaaa and that to download music? not that i do that or anything.. but i know people that do..
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 01:22:33 pm »

Did I miss what the big problem was with just legitimately buying all this copyrighted media\content?  Huh?
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 01:42:10 pm »

ther is no big problem i dont think?
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 07:15:05 pm »

wat about using p2p clients such as kazaaa and that to download music? not that i do that or anything.. but i know people that do..

They're the worst ones to use, and the applications that the industry target the most.
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