BT Are All Over Hull and Beverley

[miken]

1.6 Kingston interconnects with BT at Kingston’s Civic exchange via cables passed through a hole in the wall ("HITW") ........

Just been reading soem of that document (at http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/oftel/publications/licensing/2001/king1001.htm)

These links are long – some in excess of 80 kms – and would attract significant charges. Given the level of these charges, and the fact that these links originally formed part of BT’s own network

Did BT once provide here? why was BT networking in Hull?

EDIT

Also another part I noticed

2.1 BT and Kingston both have Public Telecommunications Operator ("PTO") licences in respect of their areas of operation, ie BT for the UK except Hull, and Kingston for the Hull area as defined in its licence. While BT’s licence restricts its ability to offer services in Hull, Kingston is able to offer services to customers outside Hull, and for this it has a separate PTO licence.

Is that saying BT would need a PTO licence to provide here? or that part of the agreement between them both is that BT cannot provide? which dont make sense to me.

[martint123]

I know of some BT lines that were installed in Hull quite a few years ago now. They were for PSS connections that were an analogue/modem BT packet switch service that KC also supplied, but the interface was different so none of the software worked on KC lines.
I have a feeling that all of the Vauxhall garages had this.  Certainly there was a lot of political haggling going on at the time to get them in and working.

Didn't BT have a presence to provide Telex facilities in Hull. I'm sure the old guys down near the pier who fixed them were BT blokes.

p.s. So old, replace BT with PO

[crozzy]

Aye its great just having a fibre through the wall innit!

[hatekcom]

Hi I have moved from outside the area, to Hull and have had nothing but issues with KCON, I dont want there rip of service, and from what i can tell they only moudlate the frequancy slightly on the ADSL, I had to hack my BT home hub to get it work, on the same level of technolgy if OFcom wont allow BT in why dont they allow a cable company to come in, if so many people in Hull don't want/like this why dont just not use it. With current market, it wouldnt take longer before it would be forced to do something about it.

I have never felt so depressed and trapped about something so small freedom of choice.

[mrX]

Ofcom do allow BT in, its BT's choice not to offer any services in Hull along with all the other providers, there is nothing to stop anyone else coming in, if you look through some of the other threads here, there are plenty of stories from the local press and from Ofcom's reports about how there is nothing stopping another provider coming in. Cable providers can't provide here as the infrastructure isn't in place for them. In reply to if so many people in Hull don't want /like the situation, I don't think people are going to leave themselves without any broadband service on the hope it might encourage someone else to come in. People are opting for mobile broadband for an alternative and leaving KC for this, but while this currently has limitations in terms of network coverage and download restrictions its not viable for a lot of people, so currently have no other choice than to use Karoo's services.

[dylan]

Ofcom do allow BT in, its BT's choice not to offer any services in Hull along with all the other providers, there is nothing to stop anyone else coming in, if you look through some of the other threads here, there are plenty of stories from the local press and from Ofcom's reports about how there is nothing stopping another provider coming in. Cable providers can't provide here as the infrastructure isn't in place for them. In reply to if so many people in Hull don't want /like the situation, I don't think people are going to leave themselves without any broadband service on the hope it might encourage someone else to come in. People are opting for mobile broadband for an alternative and leaving KC for this, but while this currently has limitations in terms of network coverage and download restrictions its not viable for a lot of people, so currently have no other choice than to use Karoo's services.

Having listened to the various arguments for a year or so heres the situation as I see it.

I dont believe Ofcom would allow BT in as BT has significant market power in the UK. I believe Ofcom would be likely to take action against BT if they attempted to take over the Hull area as they would consider it somewhat ironically a monopolistic action.

Ofcom do state however that KCOM have to open up their network to any other provider. KCOM do open up their copper lines to other providers on broadly similar terms and costs to BT. Other providers dont choose to operate service in Hull however as there is no easy way for them to connect the lines back to their own networks and then back to the internet without going through KCOM and paying a fortune to rent fat pipes of them to do so.

So you could say its a bit of a catch 22 situation.

[mrX]

Yeah, see what your saying its a catch 22, point I was trying to make was what the previous post was making out that Ofcom are themselves are stopping other providers coming in because of that fact you can't get a BT line round here, well that was the way I read it anyway.